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…nt plan Merges docs/vllm-nightly-live-test-2026-08-18.md (never-completed investigation, fully superseded) and docs/vllm-optimization-log-2026-08-18.md (1372 lines) into one current state-summary + compressed findings log. Adds a sequenced improvement plan reviewed by two independent LLMs against our actual workload shape (low bursty concurrency, long-context retention, prefill-bound requests, grammar-constrained tool-calling) rather than published benchmark shapes.
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📝 WalkthroughWalkthroughThe change adds five streaming benchmarks for TTFT, decode, cache, context, grammar, and concurrency measurements. It also adds a vLLM optimization log, a Qwen3 improvement plan, and an AITER KV-connector test record. ChangesLLM hosting optimization
Estimated code review effort: 4 (Complex) | ~60 minutes Merge Risk: 🟡 Moderate · up to The PR adds documentation and benchmark utilities, but the current plan can mislead operators about experiment status, lacks a defined correctness gate, and contains rollback instructions that may not target the owning resource; the benchmark scripts can also produce invalid measurements when metrics or token usage are missing. These bounded issues should be fixed or explicitly accepted before merge. Sequence Diagram(s)sequenceDiagram
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…t comparison Step 4's retest protocol assumed reusing the old 7Gi kv-cache-memory figure without measuring it against DFlash2's actual footprint. The draft checkpoint's static weights alone are ~3.58GiB (bf16), larger than the ~2GiB the 9Gi->7Gi cut nominally frees -- plausible explanation for why that cut measured only 0.24GB of real free-VRAM gain. Adds a prerequisite sizing boot (standalone pod, no --kv-cache-memory, read the profiler's own breakdown) and folds in a bf16-vs-quantized-draft comparison (W4A16/W8A16 community checkpoints exist) since spec-decode verification stays exact regardless of draft precision -- quantization only trades acceptance rate, never correctness.
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In `@docs/llm-hosting/bench/ttftsweep.py`:
- Around line 71-80: Before the concurrency loop in the sweep, add an
engine-state preflight that verifies the required 0 running / 0 waiting
condition and aborts if it is not satisfied. Ensure this check runs before any
thread is started, while leaving the existing stream and join logic unchanged.
- Around line 81-92: Update the result-validation logic around the ok collection
and aggregate metrics so the concurrency level is considered failed unless
len(ok) equals c. Emit the existing failure output and skip metric calculation
for incomplete runs, while preserving the current behavior for fully successful
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- Around line 43-47: Update the benchmark timing around the request flow in the
worker code to record shared request-start, first-token, and completion
timestamps for every thread, including the corresponding logic near the
aggregate calculations. Compute PP tok/s from total prompt tokens divided by the
wall-clock span from the earliest request start to the latest first token, and
TG tok/s from total generated tokens divided by the span from the earliest
request start to the latest completion; do not sum per-stream rates or use
max(ttft) as the denominator.
- Around line 24-34: Rename PROMPT_TOKENS to PROMPT_WORDS throughout the
prompt-generation and reporting logic, since the loop in make_prompt counts
selected words rather than tokenizer tokens. Alternatively, calculate the prompt
size using the deployed tokenizer and report that token count while preserving
the existing prompt content.
- Around line 55-65: Update the result construction in the ttftsweep processing
flow to preserve missing prompt_tokens_details telemetry as unavailable rather
than defaulting cached to 0. Only report cached as 0 when prompt_tokens_details
explicitly contains cached_tokens: 0, while retaining the existing aggregation
for present cache telemetry and the surrounding usage handling.
- Around line 55-65: Update the token accounting in the SSE processing loop so
the output’s gen field uses the final usage["completion_tokens"] value instead
of incrementing ntok per non-empty chunk. If completion usage is missing, record
an error and exclude that run from out rather than emitting an estimated result.
In `@docs/llm-hosting/qwen38-improvement-plan-2026-08-23.md`:
- Around line 50-54: Define executable thresholds for the cache-hit buckets in
the Step 1 plan: specify the full-hit ratio or block-based tolerance, retain
distinct partial-hit and miss ranges, and state how missing or zero-token prompt
fields are handled. Ensure the resulting classification is deterministic and
reproducible across operators.
- Around line 143-149: Revise the plan to avoid applying a fixed pool-to-ceiling
ratio: derive maxModelLen from the exact manifest, selected draft, and
parallelSlots profiler result, then propagate that derived value consistently to
litellm’s maxInputTokens and Hermes’ context_length alongside the corresponding
pool configuration.
In `@docs/llm-hosting/vllm-optimization-log-2026-08.md`:
- Around line 24-25: Update the vLLM optimization log’s 22 GiB cpu_bytes_to_use
entry, including the corresponding section around the fs secondary offload
discussion, so it does not claim full validation based on only a 9-hour window.
Either label the result as stability validation only or add evidence of the
manifest-required 24-hour restart-free soak and comparison against the 0.5333
baseline before describing the benefit as validated.
- Line 22: Update the maxModelLen entry in the optimization log to explicitly
identify the pool snapshot supporting the 1.17x ceiling and concurrency limit,
distinguishing it from the 287,159-token snapshot used for the --kv-cache-memory
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ttftsweep.py: rename PROMPT_TOKENS to PROMPT_WORDS (it counts selected words, not tokenizer tokens); fix PP/TG aggregate rates to use a shared launch barrier instead of per-stream timestamps (previously summed independent per-stream rates, and used max(ttft) as the TG denominator); preserve missing prompt_tokens_details as unavailable instead of coercing to a cache miss; add an idle-engine preflight (0 running/0 waiting) before launching any request, matching the methodology lesson already documented for this workload; fail incomplete concurrency runs instead of reporting partial aggregates as complete. qwen38-improvement-plan: Step 1 assumed --enable-prompt-tokens-details is already on -- it isn't (vLLM defaults false), so cached_tokens telemetry doesn't exist yet; added that as an explicit prerequisite plus executable cache-hit bucket thresholds. Corrected the DFlash2 retest section: the ~1.17x pool/ceiling ratio is specific to the current 9Gi/no-spec-decode config and does not hold once parallelSlots also changes (287,159/246,944 ~1.16 vs 223,172/147,456 ~1.51 in #4651's own attempt) -- maxModelLen must be re-derived from the sizing boot's actual result, not scaled by a fixed ratio. Added an explicit existence-vs-ROCm-support distinction for the two community quant checkpoints referenced. vllm-optimization-log: softened the 22GiB CPU-offload-tier claim from "validated over a 9h window" to "stability-tested, not yet validated" -- the manifest's own bar is a 24h restart-free soak beating a 0.5333 baseline, and the manifest itself still says "Benefit NOT yet validated". Clarified which pool snapshot (287,159 vs 288,493) backs the 1.17x ceiling figure.
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ttftsweep.py: build the shared prompt corpus once per concurrency round instead of once per thread -- it was salt-independent so every concurrent stream redid identical CPU-bound work inside the timed window, contending for the GIL and inflating measured TTFT for reasons unrelated to the server. Tighten port parsing to match the range validation concsweep.py/spectest.py already have. Docs: drop "correction from the original draft" framing in two spots (the reader never saw a prior draft, it's a new file) and state the facts directly. Trim two duplicate restatements in the optimization log (the restart-cost mechanism, the AITER/KV-connector conflict) down to a pointer at the one place that has the full detail.
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Steps 1 and 3 were both answerable from metrics already being scraped, with no restart and no config change. Step 1: vllm:prompt_tokens_by_source_total already exports the cache-outcome breakdown server-side, so --enable-prompt-tokens-details is not needed for the token-level answer. 24h: 6.7% local_compute, 41.5% local_cache_hit, 51.7% external_kv_transfer; 93.3% cached overall. The 85% figure was stale. Step 2: dropped. Its gate was "only if misses dominate TTFT" - they cannot, with 6.7% of prompt tokens left uncached. Step 3: keep the fs tier. The >10s lookup tail is not fs-specific - the CPU tier's is slightly worse (13.6% vs 10.7% of lookups over 10s), so dropping fs would not remove the stall. Combined hit rate 92.1%; fs read path measures 1.39 GB/s, confirming the stall is lookup scheduling, not disk.
Steps 1-3 are answered, so the plan no longer needs their pre-measurement framing, their gates, or the "original framing" blocks kept alongside the results. Collapsed into a single "Already resolved" section holding just the numbers, and renumbered the three remaining steps 1-3. Also corrects the stale 85% prefix-cache figure to the measured 92-93% in the workload summary and the minisglang comparison, and rewrites "Why order matters" to say what the measurements changed: no cheap prefill win is left, so the remaining headroom is decode-side or a different engine.
…ates Ran the sizing boot in a real GPU window. Both draft variants failed to load identically, before any profiling: ValueError on layers.0.attention_conv missing from DFlash2Qwen3Model. Not a quantization or gfx1201 problem, which is what this plan predicted the risk would be. The bf16 z-lab draft - the exact checkpoint #4651 ran in production for 2.5h - fails the same way on the current nightly. vLLM builds the draft from DFlashQwen3DecoderLayer (no conv) instead of DFlash2Qwen3DecoderLayer; DFlash2Qwen3Model declares decoder_layer_cls but the parent qwen3_dflash.py never references it. Reads as an upstream regression since ge9d1398d9. Also corrects the quantized-draft candidates from measured HF sizes: lued/Qwen3.8-27B-INT8-W8A16-DFlash2 is 27.51 GiB across 6 shards - a quantized full target, NOT a drafter, and was wrongly listed as one. syvai W4A16 is a real drafter at 1.19 GiB, saving 2.39 GiB against bf16's 3.58 GiB. And records that target/draft prefix sharing needs no configuration: dflash.py:327 defaults use_aux_hidden_state to True, and there is no separate APC knob for the drafter (zero prefix_cach matches under v1/spec_decode/).
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- Around line 114-117: Call check_idle() at the start of every benchmark-round
iteration, immediately before t_launch, so both c=1 and c=4 rounds verify the
system is idle before measuring.
In `@docs/llm-hosting/qwen38-improvement-plan-2026-08-23.md`:
- Around line 118-119: Correct the image provenance statement in the Qwen 3.8
improvement plan: align the referenced image digest with the deployed manifest’s
digest, or explicitly label the existing sha256:3a064e… image as the test image.
Ensure the wording distinguishes test and production images so the regression
diagnosis is reproducible.
- Around line 333-335: Update the DFlash2 sizing boot and retest protocol to
make resolution of the upstream construction failure the Step 1 gate. Replace
the current “Gate: none” and unrestricted scheduling language so operators only
schedule the GPU profiling window after a candidate nightly loads successfully
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Only one commit touches qwen3_dflash.py between the nightly #4651 ran and ours: 2f55ef254c70 "[Model] Add Qwen3-Omni DSpark support" (#52560, 2026-08-22T22:35Z). It drops the decoder_layer_cls class attribute and hardcodes DFlashQwen3DecoderLayer at line 442, so DFlash2Qwen3Model's override becomes dead code. Still broken in upstream main. Last good build is nightly-e9d1398d9... = sha256:0539b7e1..., our own previous pin. vLLM builds nightlies daily at ~05:30 UTC and the regression landed at 22:35, so nothing exists between last-good and first-bad; confirmed pullable. Corrects an overstatement in the previous commit's follow-up: pinning back costs one nightly, not a backlog of them.
Sizing boot completed on the last good image (0539b7e1) with the bf16 draft. vLLM's profiler: 22.52 GiB consumed (weights + non-torch), 2.8 GiB peak activation, 0.41 GiB CUDAGraph, leaving a hard ceiling of 5.92 GiB for KV on the WHOLE card with zero reserve. Production runs 9 GiB today. Minus the 2 GiB Jellyfin reserve that leaves ~3.9 GiB, a 56% pool cut, putting maxModelLen near 107K - below Hermes' measured 112K peak. The cost is static draft weights (22.52 - 18.21 target = ~3.6 GiB, matching the 3.58 GiB measured on HF), so it cannot be tuned away: draft kv_cache_dtype and draft max_model_len only touch draft KV. Quantization is the only mechanism that reduces weights, and it cannot load: AttributeError: 'QKVParallelLinear' object has no attribute 'weight' qwen3_dflash.py:490 _build_context_kv_buffers DFlash builds fused KV buffers from the draft's raw .weight, which a compressed-tensors layer does not have. No quantized DFlash draft loads on any image; the decoder_layer_cls regression was masking this. Correctness was never the obstacle, loading is.
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minisglang deferred by decision, not failure - even a clean boot would not displace the tuned vLLM stack. Weights were pre-staged on CephFS RWX so a future attempt costs only a short GPU window; scratch PVC and pods deleted. Adds the TTFT finding, which is now the highest-value open item: p50 ~35s, mean ~80.7s, 16% of requests over 160s, measured in a clean window before the day's experiments so it is steady state. Not KV offload (load time is 373.8s of 98,074s of TTFT, ~0.4%, at 3.4 GB/s), not sync lookup delay (p95 0), not admission queueing (waiting_by_reason 0 for capacity and deferred). With 93.3% of prompt tokens cached a typical prompt needs ~1s of real prefill, so 35s is unexplained. Leads recorded, starting with 70 preemptions in 24h.
…y one Measured at conc 1 on an idle engine, cache-cold: short 407 tok: TTFT 1.12s, decode 21.13 tok/s long 48,623 tok: TTFT 259.09s, decode 11.50 tok/s Context costs only 1.8x on decode, so it does not explain the 8x decode gap. That hypothesis is refuted, not confirmed. What it did find: single-stream cold prefill is 188 tok/s, and the documented "PP ~3515 tok/s" is aggregate at conc 32 (~110 tok/s/stream), so the two agree and 3515 was never a per-request number. Production max concurrency over 24h is 1.0, so maxNumBatchedTokens 4096, parallelSlots 6 and the M=6 cliff were all tuned in a regime this workload never enters. KV offload is cleared on the prefill path: store 1.92s, load 0.0s over the window containing both requests. Still unexplained: production decode 3.8 tok/s vs 11.5 measured at conc 1 with 48K context. Leading untested hypothesis is grammar-constrained tool calling. Adds ctxdecode.py, the script that produced this.
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… is past peak longconcsweep.py, ~48K shared cached prefix so concurrency is the only variable. Two runs, mean aggregate tok/s: conc 1: 10.01 conc 2: 8.77 conc 4: 12.96 conc 6: 11.07 Peak is conc 4, not 6. conc 6 is ~15% worse on aggregate and nearly halves per-stream rate (1.85 vs 3.24) - the documented M=6 dispatch cliff, confirmed at production context. conc 2 dips below conc 1 in both runs, so the M=2 down_proj LDS gate is real too. Batching buys +29% at best, versus the ~7x concsweep.py showed on short prompts: that scaling does not transfer. Suggests parallelSlots 6 -> 4 with cudagraph_capture_sizes [1,2,4]. Not applied; needs a restart and a decision. Also records what was refuted today: grammar costs 1.00x on decode, context costs only 1.8x, decode is not KV-bandwidth bound (GPU KV usage 6.2%, GDN hybrid holds little KV), and num_requests_running is scrape-sampled - counters give mean concurrency 3.53 where the gauge says 0.6. Adds longconcsweep.py and grammartest.py.
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…t is noisy Tested the hypothesis that decoding against cached KV is slower than against just-computed KV. Same endpoint, same max_tokens, same context, identical prompt replayed warm: pair 1: cold 1.39 tok/s | warm 15.27 tok/s pair 2: cold 21.95 tok/s | warm 6.96 tok/s mean cold 11.67, warm 11.12 -> 1.05x, no penalty The pairs disagree on direction and cold varied 16x between identical runs, so the original 22.8-vs-10 observation that prompted this was noise. Hypothesis refuted. Consequence: single-sample decode numbers on this engine are not trustworthy, which covers most of today's figures. The parallelSlots finding is kept because both runs agreed on ordering, but is now marked do-not-ship pending a re-run. Likely cause is test design: runs were gated on idle at START only, and Hermes traffic joins mid-run. Fix is to sample num_requests_running throughout and discard contaminated runs. Also unexplained: no run reached the requested 128 tokens despite ignore_eos. Adds cachedecode.py.
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In `@docs/llm-hosting/bench/cachedecode.py`:
- Around line 52-60: Update the SSE processing in cachedecode.py (52-60),
ctxdecode.py (48-57), grammartest.py (71-87), and longconcsweep.py (67-77) to
use the final usage["completion_tokens"] value for generated-token metrics.
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behavior; apply the same correction at all four sites.
In `@docs/llm-hosting/bench/grammartest.py`:
- Around line 52-55: Update the benchmark request and result-validation flow
around the streaming call to set ignore_eos to true, require
usage["completion_tokens"] to equal GEN, and discard or retry runs that do not
meet that exact count, including tool_calls completions. Use
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In `@docs/llm-hosting/bench/longconcsweep.py`:
- Around line 107-115: Update the benchmark result validation around the ok
comprehension so each successful result includes prompt-token cache details and
has cached greater than zero before computing span, agg, or ttfts. Ensure the
deployment enables the required prompt-token details (or uses equivalent
server-side cache metrics), and treat missing details as a failed round.
In `@docs/llm-hosting/qwen38-improvement-plan-2026-08-23.md`:
- Around line 180-183: Correct the draft-weight arithmetic in the checkpoint
analysis: do not state that 22.52 minus 18.21 is approximately 3.6 GiB, since it
equals 4.31 GiB. Show the non-torch memory subtotal and derive the 3.58 GiB
draft-weight figure from it, or cite the direct measured value instead.
- Around line 500-504: The production grammar-constrained decode hypothesis is
described as untested despite a later conc-1, same-context, two-tool-schema
result. Reconcile this section with that result by marking the hypothesis tested
and linking the relevant findings if the protocols match; otherwise document the
protocol differences that make the tests non-equivalent.
- Around line 486-494: Revise the concurrency conclusion in the tuning-history
paragraph to avoid asserting that production never reaches the tested regime
based solely on the scrape-sampled num_requests_running gauge. Use the
request-counter-derived concurrency distribution if available to support the
claim, or weaken it to state only what the evidence establishes, and retain the
recommendation to revalidate the tuning parameters with production-length
prompts.
- Around line 586-589: Update the decode rerun procedure’s concurrency condition
to say “saw concurrent requests” or “saw non-idle concurrency” instead of “saw
company,” while preserving the requirement to sample num_requests_running
throughout each measurement and discard runs that observed concurrency.
- Around line 549-551: Revise the conclusion around the “Not KV bandwidth”
statement so it does not infer bandwidth or access latency from GPU KV residency
alone. Either rename it to reflect only the supported low-KV-footprint finding,
or add direct KV bandwidth and access-latency measurements before retaining the
stronger conclusion.
- Around line 219-223: Update the quantized DFlash loading conclusion in the
documented analysis to state that loading fails on the tested images, replacing
the broader “on any image” claim while preserving the explanation about DFlash
reading the draft’s raw weight tensor.
- Around line 566-578: Revise the cached-prefix conclusion to remain
inconclusive: state that no consistent penalty was observed, rather than
declaring the hypothesis refuted. Retain the observed cold-throughput
variability and reversed cold/warm ordering, and note that more repeated
measurements sampling num_requests_running during each run are required before
closing the hypothesis.
- Around line 163-177: Revise the sizing analysis around the bf16 profiler
results to state the exact profiler invocation and distinguish the whole-card
`--kv-cache-memory` ceiling from the `gpu_memory_utilization` budget.
Recalculate the available DFlash2 KV pool after applying the production setting
and mandatory Jellyfin transcode reserve, then update or remove the 56%
reduction and 107K `maxModelLen` conclusions so they reflect those corrected
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… rejected ROCM_AITER_UNIFIED_ATTN is refused whenever a KV connector is set. Traced to supports_kv_connector() -> False, inherited from RocmAttentionBackend and never overridden. The parent justifies it by its own (2, num_blocks, ...) layout, which the subclass does not use: it overrides customize_spec and advertises LBHNC, and OffloadingConnector.get_required_kvcache_layout() returns exactly LBHNC. Tested live on control-1 (R9700, gfx1201) by injecting the override. The backend did select and ran with the offload connector attached, tiers created, KV pool unchanged at 288,508 tokens / 1.17x, VRAM free 3.11 GB, no errors. So the inherited False is a real upstream bug. Rejected on measurement, not on principle: prefill 50K ~6390 -> ~6392 tok/s (no gain) decode conc-1 31.50 -> ~1.89 tok/s (~16.6x regression) #43615's published R9700 gains (+56.5% at 512 tok, +72.4% at 1K-2K) do not reproduce at a 50K production shape on a GDN hybrid behind a KV connector. Decode figure is derived from two 50K requests (74.9s, 75.5s) minus prefill, not a direct decode sweep: direction is certain, exact ratio is not. Cudagraph capture was ruled out as the cause; the TRITON baseline captures PIECEWISE only as well. Likely #45916 (gfx12 head_dim=256 decode falls onto an unoptimised Triton path), recorded as hypothesis not finding. Do not retry on gfx1201 until #45916 lands. Fully reverted, production verified.
Two stale claims in the optimization log, both found while tracing the real gate for the live test in the preceding commit. The exclusion was attributed to `forward_includes_kv_cache_update = False`. That is wrong: TRITON_ATTN declares it False as well and is the backend actually selected, so it cannot be the discriminator. The real gate is `backend.py:323`, `use_kv_connector and not cls.supports_kv_connector()`, which RocmAiterUnifiedAttentionBackend inherits False from RocmAttentionBackend and never overrides. `AITER_RMSNORM` was listed as on by default. Stale for this arch: #43615 defaults VLLM_ROCM_USE_AITER_RMSNORM to False on gfx12 over known kernel issues, and the running engine reports rms_norm=['native']. Open question 3 is closed by the live measurement rather than left as an untested option, and keeps the 91.2% vs 18.6% combined-hit-rate figure that justifies keeping the connector.
Both files told the reader to wait for vllm#45916 before revisiting AITER unified attention on gfx1201. That is wrong guidance. #45916 patches vllm/v1/attention/ops/chunked_prefill_paged_decode.py, which is imported by rocm_attn.py and nothing else. ROCM_ATTN is the backend whose supports_kv_connector() -> False is legitimate rather than inherited: its (2, num_blocks, ...) packing really is connector-incompatible. So the PR optimises a decode path this deployment cannot reach while the KV offload connector is in use, and its merging would change nothing here. The PR was matched on its description (gfx12, head_dim=256, decode) without checking which backend consumes the file. Same error applied to vllm#52869, which patches the unquantized MoE oracle while this model routes through int_wna16. The cause of AITER's slow decode is now recorded as NOT identified, rather than attributed to a third candidate. Two retracted hypotheses are kept with the evidence that killed them, since both are cheap to re-check and expensive to rediscover.
…ws parity The 2026-08-31 result recorded AITER unified attention at 1.89 tok/s decode against a 31.50 baseline and rejected it as harmful. That number was an artefact. vllm#53821 (generic ROCm metadata builder zeroes query_start_loc during graph capture; AITER consumes it during replay, corrupting query boundaries) merged 2026-08-31T13:53Z, about 9.5h after the tested build 44fe2a392 was cut. The test measured a known bug. Retested on dev199+g7c5dc571c with the fix present (verified in the image, not inferred from build date). Decode recovers ~16x and lands at parity: conc-16 TRITON 78.22, 77.03 AITER 77.21, 77.32 prefill engine-reported 6390 vs 6388.5 Verdict changes from "harmful" to "parity, so not worth carrying an out-of-tree patch". Recorded as explicitly NOT measured: short-context prefill (512-2K, the regime #43615's claims were made for) and per-arm power draw. Also carried forward: TTFT-derived PP from bench/pp1.py read 948.9 while the engine reported 6388.5 concurrently. TTFT here is dominated by offload-lookup and admission, not the attention kernel; do not quote it as a kernel measurement. Separately, the same bump brought vllm#50696, a silent-correctness fix for this exact deployment: on mamba-layer models a CPU->GPU offload load could be wiped by a pending block zeroing, leaving the request attending over zeros for its whole cache-hit prefix, with no error.
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indicating completion, reversion, and that AITER parity was not adopted,
matching the documented execution and retest history.
- Around line 69-72: Update the import-hook guidance near the ROCm image
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Update the plan status before merge.
Line 3 still says not started, but the document records execution and reversion on August 31, 2026, followed by a completed retest on September 1, 2026. An operator could interpret the plan as pending and repeat the live mutation. Set the status to the final state, such as completed — reverted; AITER parity, not adopted.
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Remove the “version-independent” claim.
The hook hardcodes vllm.v1.attention.backends.rocm_aiter_unified_attn and RocmAiterUnifiedAttentionBackend. A later image can move either symbol. Describe this as source-file-independent, but still vLLM-version-sensitive.
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lines 69 - 72, Update the import-hook guidance near the ROCm image instructions
to remove the “version-independent” claim and describe it as
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Define the correctness metric before using it as a blocking gate.
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Record the complete retest image digest.
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Evaluated turboquant_4bit_nc as the only remaining lever on KV capacity, which is the constraint behind most dead ends in this log (DFlash2 not fitting, the 246,944 context ceiling, concurrency pool-limited to ~5 at 50K prompts). It runs on gfx1201, which upstream does not support and has never tested -- every published AMD TurboQuant result is MI355X. Three stacked patches were needed: the supports_kv_connector override, an import hook rerouting fa_utils.flash_attn_varlen_func from the CK implementation (which segfaults in ck_tile::FmhaFwdKernel at head_dim 256) to aiter.ops.triton.attention.mha, and a gfx1201-MHA-DEFAULT.json borrowed from gfx1151 because AITER ships no gfx1201 tuning config. Measured, two warm runs per arm: KV pool 288,508 -> 552,612 tokens (+92%, matching the slot arithmetic) concurrency 1.17x -> 2.24x prefill ~6390 -> 6378.7 tok/s (parity) decode c16 77.63 -> 56.75 tok/s (-27%) decode c1 31.59 -> 14.55 tok/s (-54%) Rejected on the trade, not the numbers: request latency roughly doubles while the 2.24x concurrency is unusable, since Hermes caps max_concurrent_sessions at 5. Conditional -- revisit if that cap rises or context must exceed 246,944. Output quality at 4 bits was never measured; the throughput result disqualified the change before the quality gate ran. Decode also used a borrowed gfx1151 tuning config, so the gap may be narrower with a real one. Records an operational lesson that cost three silently reverted patches: suspending a child Kustomization does not hold, because the parent flux-system Kustomization reconciles spec.suspend back to the git value.
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docs/vllm-nightly-live-test-2026-08-18.md(never-completed investigation, fully superseded) anddocs/vllm-optimization-log-2026-08-18.md(1372 lines) into one currentdocs/llm-hosting/vllm-optimization-log-2026-08.md: state summary, open questions, compressed findings, resolved/non-durable trivia droppeddocs/llm-hosting/bench/ttftsweep.pydocs/llm-hosting/qwen38-improvement-plan-2026-08-23.md, reviewed twice by two independent LLMs against our actual workload shape rather than published-benchmark shapesThree planned steps resolved before merge, from telemetry already scraped
No restart, no config change, no GPU window. The plan now carries the results instead of the investigation.
vllm:prompt_tokens_by_source_totalalready exports the cache-outcome breakdown server-side, so the--enable-prompt-tokens-detailsrestart this was gated on was never needed. 24h,service="qwen38-27b-vllm":external_kv_transferlocal_cache_hitlocal_computeprompt_tokens_cached_total/prompt_tokens_total= 93.3%; independent block-level combined rate = 92.1%. The 85% figure in older docs was stale.Remaining plan steps all need a GPU window: DFlash2 retest (with a sizing boot to measure the real draft footprint first), minisglang-rdna4 spike, SGLang gfx1201 watch.
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