Implementation Discussion: Thief

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mctsts:
How exactly does/should thief work, anyway?

What do we switch exactly? "effects" arent really a concept anymore.

We could switch all standard attributes (group memberships, etc) and not custom attributes, but even this has problems as e.g. enchanted consists of 3 attributes (custom enchanted attribute, standard group membership attribute, standard obstruction attribute). So really, probably all attributes should be switched.

Would that be an acceptable change to thief? Do we see any unforseen consequences with this?

What about things like hooker absences? Should those be switched as well?

Maybe we really just switch ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING as if a substitution is performed?

Opinions?

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venomousbirds:
i think switching everything as if a substitution would be the most fitting to the role

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venomousbirds:
as that's generally what we try to achieve during a thiefs hell

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mctsts:
its a slight behaivor change as previously solo effects didnt get swapped, but I dont see a good way of keeping this

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venomousbirds:
i think everythig getting swapped is the easiet? way of making thief comprehensible

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venomousbirds:
bc then it can just say "you swap as if being substituted"

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mctsts:
yea true

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mctsts:
its easy to explain and easy to implement

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venomousbirds:
sounds like the best option then

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venomousbirds:
as its not used much, its better to keep it simple

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mctsts:
yea

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venomousbirds:
bc its used in horribly complicated games

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mctsts:
overall switching the effects as well does make some things more confusing

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mctsts:
solos will have a harder time comprehending who is currently affected by their effects

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mctsts:
oh and also if we switch everything, then things like "you may not use the same action on the same player twice in a row" may be affected as well