Difference in EE estimates between Ecopath and Rpath

[max-cosme]

Hi !

I tried to estimate parameters from a same set of basic inputs and diet compositions in Ecopath and Rpath.

• Basic inputs : toy_basic_input.csv
• Diet compositions : toy_diet_composition.csv

Everything works fine, except for Ecotrophic Efficiency (EE).

I've tried diving into the rpath() function but I can't see where the problem is coming from.

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Rpath results

Group	type	TL	Biomass	PB	QB	EE	GE
Predator	0	3.173469	1	2	10	0	0.2000000
H1	0	2.224490	1	10	19	0	0.5263158
H2	0	2.122449	1	10	20	0	0.5000000
Plant	1	1.000000	10	50	0	1	0.0000000
Detritus	2	1.000000	1	0	0	0	0.0000000
Fishers	3	1.000000	0	0	0	0	0.0000000

Ecopath results

Group	type	TL	Biomass	PB	QB	EE	GE
Predator	0	3.173	1	2	10	0	0.2
H1	0	2.224	1	10	19	0.7	0.526
H2	0	2.122	1	10	20	0.88	0.5
Plant	1	1	10	50	0	1
Detritus	2	1	1	0	0	0
Fishers	3	1	0	0	0	0

[Clara-yong]

Hi!

I am new to RPath and am facing a similar issue except that my Rpath results returned "0" EE for all groups. It also gave very different results when I ran Rsim.

Basic Parameters:
Model BP.csv

Diet composition:
Model DC.csv

R code:
Rpath EE troubleshoot.txt

Ecopath with Ecosim output

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Group name	Trophic level	Hab area (proportion)	Biomass in habitat area (t/km²)	Biomass (t/km²)	Production / biomass (/year)	Consumption / biomass (/year)	Ecotrophic Efficiency	Production / consumption (/year)
C2	4	1	0,5	0,5	1	4	0	0,25
C1	3	1	1	1	5	12,5	0,4	0,4
Zooplankton	2	1	2	2	10	50	0,625	0,2
Phytoplankton	1	1	5	5	100		0,2
Detritus	1	1	10	10			0

RPath output

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Group	type	TL	Biomass	PB	QB	EE	GE	Removals
Gastropod	0	4	0.5	1	4	0	0.25	0
Coral	0	3	1	5	12.5	0	0.4	0
Zooplankton	0	2	2	10	50	0	0.2	0
Phytoplankton	1	1	5	100	0	0	0	0
Detritus	2	1	10	0	0	0	0	0
Fleet	3	1	0	0	0	0	0	0

Ecosim output
Basic model_troubleshooting EE_EwE.csv

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Pane	Cumulative biomass
Data	1: C2	2: C1	3: Zooplankton	4: Phytoplankton	5: Detritus
0	0.5	1	2	5	10
1.083333	0.500005	1.000028	2.000021	4.99997	9.999887
1.166667	0.500005	1.00003	2.000115	5.000002	9.99988
…
101	0.5	1.000001	2	5	9.999868

Rsim output

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Group	StartBio	EndBio	BioES	StartCatch	EndCatch	CatchES
Outside	1	1	1	0	0	NA
C2	0.5	5.00E-16	1.00E-15	0	0	NA
C1	1	0.0114	0.0114	0	0	NA
Zooplankton	2	1.0109	0.50545	0	0	NA
Phytoplankton	5	3.815773	0.763155	0	0	NA
Detritus	10	40225.39	4022.539	0	0	NA
Fleet	0	0	NA	0	0	NA

[ghost]

Hi!

I am new to RPath and am facing a similar issue except that my Rpath results returned "0" EE for all groups. It also gave very different results when I ran Rsim.

Basic Parameters: Model BP.csv

Diet composition: Model DC.csv

R code: Rpath EE troubleshoot.txt

Ecopath with Ecosim output

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Group name Trophic level Hab area (proportion) Biomass in habitat area (t/km²) Biomass (t/km²) Production / biomass (/year) Consumption / biomass (/year) Ecotrophic Efficiency Production / consumption (/year)
C2 4 1 0,5 0,5 1 4 0 0,25
C1 3 1 1 1 5 12,5 0,4 0,4
Zooplankton 2 1 2 2 10 50 0,625 0,2
Phytoplankton 1 1 5 5 100   0,2  
Detritus 1 1 10 10     0  
RPath output

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Group type TL Biomass PB QB EE GE Removals
Gastropod 0 4 0.5 1 4 0 0.25 0
Coral 0 3 1 5 12.5 0 0.4 0
Zooplankton 0 2 2 10 50 0 0.2 0
Phytoplankton 1 1 5 100 0 0 0 0
Detritus 2 1 10 0 0 0 0 0
Fleet 3 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Ecosim output Basic model_troubleshooting EE_EwE.csv

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Pane Cumulative biomass        
Data 1: C2 2: C1 3: Zooplankton 4: Phytoplankton 5: Detritus
0 0.5 1 2 5 10
1.083333 0.500005 1.000028 2.000021 4.99997 9.999887
1.166667 0.500005 1.00003 2.000115 5.000002 9.99988
…          
101 0.5 1.000001 2 5 9.999868
Rsim output

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Group StartBio EndBio BioES StartCatch EndCatch CatchES
Outside 1 1 1 0 0 NA
C2 0.5 5.00E-16 1.00E-15 0 0 NA
C1 1 0.0114 0.0114 0 0 NA
Zooplankton 2 1.0109 0.50545 0 0 NA
Phytoplankton 5 3.815773 0.763155 0 0 NA
Detritus 10 40225.39 4022.539 0 0 NA
Fleet 0 0 NA 0 0 NA

I got this problem too!

[max-cosme]

And I re-checked : the bug is still here with my example...

Hope this won't stuck you in your work ! :/

[kaydin]

Closing discussion as this has moved to an issue.